430-434: Hans Mattsson — Former LDS Area Authority Seventy (Sweden)

July 22, 2013

24919_1258817347527_7561878_nHans H. Mattsson is a 3rd generation LDS church member from Sweden who served as a bishop and stake president in Sweden before serving in the LDS church 3rd Quorum of the Seventy from 2000-2005 in the Europe Central area under LDS Apostle L. Tom Perry.

In this 5-part interview, and accompanied by his beautiful wife Birgitta, Hans discusses the following:

  • Part 1: His early years in Sweden prior to becoming an Area Authority.
  • Part 2: His years as an Area Authority Seventy.
  • Part 3: His interactions with LDS Apostles and the 1st Presidency.
  • Part 4: His struggles with faith/testimony, specifically regarding LDS church history, after being released as an area authority.
  • Part 5: His thoughts and feelings about the church today.


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460 Responses to 430-434: Hans Mattsson — Former LDS Area Authority Seventy (Sweden)

  1. Kellie
    August 15, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    What a sweet, kind, real, honest couple. Thanks so much for sharing. I appreciate their openness and wish them well.

  2. Jake
    August 17, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    There are lot of things in the Church that don’t make sense. I heard interview here with Terryl Givens once. He said something to the effect of why is it necessary to throw the whole gospel away just because you have a few issues. Its the choice belongs to the individual of course. But I don’t see many people because they don’t understand the Atonement or Jesus Christ which is supposed to be the core of the Church anyway.

    • Jake
      August 19, 2013 at 9:36 am

      “Mormons, it seems, tend to think that ex-Mormons are devil-worshiping, wife-swapping, thieving alcoholics who throw the whole thing away because they don’t know how to pray properly…”

      It is unfortunate that people think that way. I don’t think there is room to be judgmental when we don’t know why an individual makes a particular decision leaving the church or otherwise.

  3. Pippy
    August 19, 2013 at 1:20 am

    I am a very active Mormon going through my crisis of faith these last couple months with this discovery. I am so confused and heartbroken.

    I think this analogy applies: Let’s say you date someone, and marry them. After you have been married a while, you hear from a third party that your spouse had served a serious jail time. When you approach your spouse about this, you find out it is true.

    You: Why didn’t you tell me?
    Spouse: Well, I was putting my best foot forward.
    You: That’s fine to do on the first or second, or 20th date. But did you ever have any intention of telling me? (Answer would presumably be no).
    Spouse: It never seemed to come up in conversation. And the issue is behind me.
    You: But don’t you think I would have liked to know? It’s so much more damaging hearing about this from someone else. I don’t know how there can be honesty and trust in our relationship.

    • Tom
      August 19, 2013 at 7:31 am

      I like your analysis but it is even worse than that. The spouse has admitted his past and explained there were issues. The LDS church continues to lie and fabricate false answers. There can be absolutely no trust in the future. What is really true? This is all about tithing. It is about receiving our tithing (money) to continue the lies and fabrications and expand on them.We can’t upset the leaders life style, power and popularity.

      • Pippy
        August 19, 2013 at 10:39 am

        Is this Tom Phillips? (I’m sure there are lots of Tom ex-mo’s). I listened to his podcast all night long yesterday (literally – I was up until 6:30 am listening, and my small children wake up at 7:30). I just couldn’t stop listening. It was so interesting.

        Anyway, whether you are or not, I have a question with your response: How can all of the 15 be lying? Maybe some of them? I mean, why haven’t apostles left in recent years? Usually for someone to get very high in the church, they are people of integrity. Wouldn’t others stand up once they realized it was fraud? Perhaps the second annointing, as talked about in Tom Phillip’s podcast, is given to most people who get high up, and that kind of keeps them in line because they are afraid to stray? Perhaps they truly believe it? I have been doing some reading on cults, and a lot of people compare Mormons to JW’s, which I’m sure you know. I don’t honestly know much about them, so I looked them up. They have a bunch of old men in their Governing Body that seem sweet and nice (something about being old, I assume). One of them, Raymond Franz, left the church saying this:
        I had spent nearly forty years as a full time representative, serving at every level of the organizational structure. The last fifteen years I had spent at the international headquarters, and the final nine of those as a member of the worldwide Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It was those final years that were the crucial period for me. Illusions there met up with reality. I have since come to appreciate the rightness of a quotation I recently read, one made by a statesman, now dead, who said: “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie—deliberate, contrived and dishonest—but the myth—persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.” I now began to realize how large a measure of what I had based my entire adult life course on was just that, a myth—persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.[10]

        If the LDS church is not true, this is what I would assume of most of the Q12 (or 15). I remember President Faust. Oh, how I loved him.

        But I remind myself that JW’s probably love their leaders too. Warren Jeff’s followers likely loved him. I have to realize this.

        I am just still in shock. I need to work through more things, do some more reading. I used to laugh when I heard people thought the church was a cult. If the church is not true, I will conclude it is most definitely a powerful cult. I am just beyond shaken. I was so very, very sure it was true. I just want truth. At whatever the cost, like Hans Mattsson talks about here. But I cannot imagine telling my family. Forever they will mourn for me, worry about me, and my children. I don’t know what my husband would think. I’ve been talking to him. He was closed at first, “Well, that doesn’t bother me…” to each thing I told him. But I think ultimately he would seek truth with me, at least I hope. He has been listening to me at least.

        Sorry this is so long. I just need someone to talk to.

        • Frank
          August 19, 2013 at 7:53 pm

          I have heard people speculate that some of the brethren in the Quorum of the 12 and First Presidency know they are perpetuating a fraud and are just putting on a show. I don’t believe this for a moment.

          I agree, Pippy, President Faust was a dear, humble man who lived close to the Spirit. I miss hearing him counsel us.


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