231: Mormon Stories 2011 and Beyond

Mormon Stories Listeners,

I must begin by thanking all of you for an amazing  2010.   We started this year at episode #112, and after only 12 months are now up to #231.  And while the numbers are good… I feel even better about  the quality of the interviews that we were able to land (Joanna Brooks, Peter and Mary Danzig, Shawn McCraney, Richard Packham, Daymon Smith, Bruce Bastian, Mr. Diety, Tresa Edmunds, Lisa Butterworth, Ed Kimball, Richard Dutcher, Carol Lynn Pearson, Bill Bradshaw, all of my personal friends who came on the show like Jacquie and the Gallaghers, etc.)…the list goes on and on.  I am also super grateful for the help of friends like Natasha Parker, Dan Wotherspoon, Andrew Ainsworth, and the mysterious “Richard Allen”  for their podcast  support last year.   We literally could not have done it without them, or without you.

Looking into 2011, there is much to be excited about, and one major concern.  I’ll start w/ the concern first.

  • Financial Support: Back in the summer of 2010 I made a deal w/ the listeners.  If enough of you would sign up for monthly financial donations to Mormon Stories , I would promise to release a quality episode each week.  The way that I was able to make this happen as a super busy Clinical Psychology Ph.D. student was to turn down other paid assistantships and do Mormon Stories as my part time job while in school.  While the money in no way covers my family’s annual expenses, it does help us pay for things like health insurance, groceries, etc.  Well — the good news is that many of you signed up to help.  The bad news is that many of you have lost jobs or fallen on hard times — and I’ve received a number of cancellations over the past few months and donations have fallen substantially.  So as donations begin to drop — I need to ask those of you who listen to Mormon Stories but do not support us financially to please consider going up to https://www.mormonstories.org ( right corner) and either make a one time donation, or sign up for monthly donations.  Without this support, I will not be able to continue with Mormon Stories.  With it, we can continue to provide more cool things for Mormonism over the coming years.

What’s on tap for 2011 and beyond (with your support)?  I don’t have time to write about these ideas in detail, but I’ll summarize them here.  For the record, this is our new 40 year plan.  :)

  • More Mormon Stories Interviews: Based on your feedback, we have some fantastic interviews lined up for 2011.  I won’t ruin the surprise — but the future looks very, very bright for Mormon Stories interviews.
  • Mormon Matters Revamp: We have been working on a revamp of the very popular Mormon Matterswebsite.  There are 2 things we’re hoping to do w/ Mormon Matters:
    • Turn it into the “Huffington Post” of Mormon news and information.  Today, sites like “The Mormon Times” are the only places to get Mormon news and information in a centralized place.  We hope to re-purpose Mormon Matters into a “one stop shop” for Mormon news, including: Sports, Business, Politics, Entertainment, Advice Columns, etc.
    • Bring back the Mormon Matters Panel Podcast.  We feel like there is a need for a “This Week in Mormonism”-type podcast to discuss the latest news and information in Mormonism (think Mormonism plus “Meet the Press”…think weekly discussions about the latest antics of Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, Glenn Beck, David Archuleta, the Southpark guys, the Bloggernacle AND the DAMU, etc.), so we hope to bring that discussion panel format podcast back with a vengeance.
  • MormonPublicRadio: We feel like there is a strong need for additional Mormon-themed podcasts, and so we are looking to form an NPR-like network thereof.  Some of the podcasts we hope to help produce include:
    • A Mormon Women Podcast: A podcast dedicated to Mormon women’s issues.
    • A StayLDS Podcast: A podcast dedicated to helping struggling Mormons stay in the church, sponsored by https://staylds.com
    • An ExMormon Stories Podcast: A podcast dedicated to building understand for Mormons who have left the church
    • An LDS Homosexuality Podcast: A podcast dedicated to building greater understanding around the issues of Homosexuality within Mormonism
    • An LDS Apologist Podcast: For credible LDS apologetics.
    • A Mormon Entertainment Podcast: Focusing on Mormon music, film and entertainment
    • A “This Week in Mormonism” Podcast: See above.
  • A Global Community for “uncorrelated”Mormons: All over the world there are people who are struggling to navigate Mormonism “outside of the box,” so to speak…from liberal Mormons, to gay Mormons, to feminist Mormons, to single Mormons, to ex-Mormons, etc.  One thing we’ve realized is that if we can create an integrated, global community of “Mormons like us” — we can do all sorts of really exciting things as a community, including:
    • Local Meet-Ups: Helping to facilitate local or regional meet-ups for non-traditional Mormons who need additional support (support groups, book clubs, play groups, dinner dates, etc.)
    • “EFY’s” for Children of Liberal or Post-Mormons
    • A Liberal/Post-Mormon Dating Service for Single Mormons
    • Online Content: To support non-traditional or post-Mormon families in navigating alternative or post-Mormonism in a healthy way.
    • Annual Conferences: To bring Mormons of all types together to support and inspire each other, with presentations, workshops, retreats, etc.

This is the vision — and this is what we hope to accomplish over the coming years.  It’s a definitely a long-term vision….but we believe that with your support, we can totally make this happen.  More importantly, we feel like initiatives like this could really help bring a lot of joy, and lessen the pain, for people who are trying to more successfully navigate their non-traditional Mormon experience.

Thanks for your support, and please let us know if you’re interested in helping out.

 

Episode Transcript

Full text · 2,400 words · 3 chaptersHost: John Dehlin

This transcript is machine-generated and lightly edited for readability. The audio is authoritative. Please excuse occasional errors in names and spelling.

John Dehlin

Reflecting on Mormon Stories Achievements

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to this special edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I'm John Dehlin, your host, and I've created this special podcast for two main reasons. First, I needed to talk to you about the financial status of Mormon Stories, give you an update, and then I wanted to talk to you about many of the exciting things that we have on tap for you for 2011 and beyond. So first, the financial update.

[00:00:27] Several months ago this summer, I kind of made a deal with many of you, my listeners, and the deal was if a bunch of you would sign up on the MormonStories.org webpage to either give one time donations or better yet, to subscribe for monthly donations to help support Mormon Stories financially. I would decline an assistantship in my PhD program and instead use Mormon Stories to help partially fund my graduate school and pay for things like groceries and health insurance and stuff. So we made that bargain.

[00:01:04] Much of you came through. And so for the last, oh, I don't know, six or seven or eight months, I've been doing my best to make good on that promise. We've delivered to you, hopefully a lot of impressive and interesting and valuable podcasts. We started this year in 2010 with 112 episodes. We're now up to 231 episodes on Mormon Stories Podcast, most of those delivered just last year. And we've been able to bring to you all sorts of interesting and hopefully valuable interviews for people like Joanna Brooks, the Danzigs, Sean McCraney, Richard Packham, Damon Smith, Bruce Bastian, Mr. Deity, Teresa Edmonds and Lisa Butterworth, Ed Kimball, Richard Dutcher, Carolyn Pearson, Bill Bradshaw, a bunch of personal friends, etc.

[00:01:58] We think it's been a fabulous year for Mormon Stories and we're really, really grateful for your support. Unfortunately, we're in a bit of a situation, and the situation is that a bunch of you who signed up in July or August to help support Mormon Stories have had to drop off. I've received several emails from those who have dropped off, and in virtually all cases, the people who have dropped off in their support have done so because they've hit financial hard times. Many of them have lost jobs or have gotten in a financial struggle and they're no longer able to make regular contributions to Mormon Stories, but they promise to do so once they get jobs again.

[00:02:38] Anyway, that's left us a little bit struggling without quite the amount of funds that we need to be able to bring this program to you regularly. And so the first thing I need to ask is, is those of you who have been listening to Mormon Stories but have not yet donated. I would like to ask if you would please consider beginning to donate to Mormon Stories. All you have to do is go up to mormonstories.org there are some buttons in the right hand column of Mormon Stories and you can either make one time donations or subscribe for 5, 10, 20, 40, 50 or $100 a month.

Supporting the Podcast and Subscription Options

[00:03:18] The benefit of those monthly subscriptions is basically that they help me plan for how many episodes that I'm going to deliver each month and they help me sort of feel secure that this income is going to last a little bit in the future so that I can make sure and take care of my family. So that's my first request that those of you who benefit from Mormon Stories, who like it, who listen can please sign up and donate and do your part so that I can keep providing this service. And the service that I provide in the future will, will definitely depend on those of you coming through if and when you can.

[00:03:54] Now, I don't want to just ask for money and not offer anything in return. And so I wanted to give you a quick sense for what our vision is for Mormon Stories in the future. First and foremost, many of you will know that we formed a 501 tax exempt nonprofit organization to be the umbrella organization for Mormon Stories. It's called the Open Stories Foundation. We didn't call it Mormon Stories foundation for legal reasons, but with this nonprofit that's enabled it such that all of your donations to Mormon Stories will be tax deductible, we hope that that will encourage you to want to donate.

[00:04:38] But in addition, we did that with the intent of creating a whole new set and host of offerings for 2011 and beyond, again with your support. So in addition to a whole slew of new interviews that we have planned and I should say that these interviews will be based on your feedback. So we sent out a survey, many of you responded to it and we are lining up some of the most amazing interviews we've ever planned for 2011.

[00:05:08] Very exciting. I won't ruin the surprise, but you can expect a very bright future for Mormon Stories Interviews. We have a few other projects in the works that we hope to get going. First is a revamp of the Mormon Matters website. Now many of you may have been followers of mormonmatters.org it's a highly popular and well trafficked blog that's sort of been in revamped for a few months now. We hope to turn Mormon Matters into a Huffington Post for Mormon news and information. Some of you may know that The Mormon Times, published by the Deseret News, tries to offer sort of a centralized news source for Mormonism, which is, we think that the world of Mormonism is much bigger and that there's room in the marketplace for sort of an uncorrelated website for news and information on Mormonism that could cover things like business, politics, entertainment, sports, advice columns, et cetera.

[00:06:07] So we have some really fabulous partners lined up to support us with a revamp of Mormon Matters, and we're going to be looking for people in the coming days and weeks to help us edit that site. So. So we're looking for people who care about Mormon sports, Mormon business, Mormon politics, Mormon entertainment, the blogger knuckle, and other areas of news and information to sign up and support.

[00:06:31] That's the first thing we're going to do. Second thing we hope to do is bring back the Mormon Matters panel podcast. Many of you know that several years ago we brought on regular panels to discuss various topics within Mormonism in a panel format. And we think that there's room on the Internet for sort of a this Week in Mormonism podcast, where basically two or three or four of the main news stories that are generated on Mormon Matters get discussed by a panel of thoughtful people, much like we used to do several years ago.

[00:07:07] So we're going to bring that back with your support, and we think that you'll really enjoy it. We also feel really strongly that there's room in the marketplace for more Mormon themed podcasts. So we have this idea of something like a Mormon Public radio, which is where we sponsor new podcasts that follow various themes. So, for example, we think there's a need for a Mormon Women podcast or Mormon Feminism Podcast that's pretty much specifically dedicated to Mormon women and women's issues within Mormonism. We think that there's a market for a Stay LDS podcast, a podcast dedicated to helping people who need to stay or want to stay in the LDS Church for whatever reason, find a way to make that work if that's their desire.

[00:07:52] And we've been talking with the good folks at Stale DS to make that happen. We also feel like there needs to be an Ex Mormon Stories podcast or Post Mormon Stories podcast, basically dedicated to building support and understanding for people who've chosen to leave the church, because we think that people who stay and leave the church both deserve support and that there's a room for a series of podcasts to help people understand them better. We also feel like the issue of homosexuality within Mormonism deserves its own podcast. A lot of you have enjoyed our coverage of homosexuality.

[00:08:25] Some of you have expressed frustration that we've covered it in such depth. We think that there's room for a podcast dedicated specifically to this as well. So we really like this idea of pulling together a Mormon public radio type set of podcasts, and we're looking for people to collaborate with us on these and other types of Mormon themed podcasts, if any of you are interested. And then finally, we are really interested in pulling together a global community for what I'll call uncorrelated or out of the box Mormons. There are liberal Mormons out there, progressive Mormons. There are single Mormons, gay Mormons, ex Mormons, post Mormons, New Order Mormons, feminist Mormons, intellectual Mormons, all sorts of Mormons out there who likely aren't finding what they need in terms of community and support and information through their regular war channels.

[00:09:26] So we don't intend to replace the church or create a new church, but what we would love to do is create a global community so that people in Atlanta or in Boston or in Chicago or Texas or, you know, California, wherever they are, if they're looking for people who are like them, who can support, provide help and information, think about playgroups, think about book clubs, think about meetups, think about dating groups, maybe even regional conferences.

[00:09:55] We feel like there's a market for pulling together all the many people out there who need additional support for their Mormon experience, ex Mormons and post Mormons included, to be able to support them in coming together. We envision someday EFYS for teens of liberal or post Mormons, especially for youth type things where they get together, get inspired, meet other kids like them, learn morals and values and ethics in sort of a liberal or post Mormon era.

[00:10:26] We see the need for a dating service where single LDS folks or divorced LDS people can find and marry people like them. We see the need for a whole host of online materials to provide parents who are raising their kids as semi believers, or as post Mormons or ex Mormons or as liberal Mormons. There are all sorts of advice and information and support that people need to navigate their marriages, their extended families, etc. So we think that there's a real market for providing online support content, books and podcasts and screencasts and other items of support for people like that. And we even envision someday, you know, annual conferences where we can bring all these types of Mormons together to support and uplift and inspire each other.

[00:11:21] So that is the expansive vision that we're hoping to collaborate with people on starting with the Mormon Stories Podcast and with the Open Stories Foundation. But we would love to team with other websites and communities and organizations that share this vision. It doesn't need to be controlled or owned by us. It can be something we collaborate with under a board of directors. But we hope to reach out with, you know, post Mormons, ex Mormons, New Order Mormons, Sunstone, Dialog, all the various podcasts. Whoever is interested in teaming with us to form a community of support to help produce these podcasts, to help run the Mormon Matters revamp, and to continue delivering exciting Mormon Stories podcasts.

[00:12:09] We're looking for partners and collaborators to make this happen. Hey, it may not happen at all. All this may die. I'm a busy guy getting my PhD in clinical psychology. The podcast in and of itself is sort of a full time job. But this is a vision that I just wanted to lay out there, see if there are people interested, and sort of offer this as collateral for my appeal for donations and support for Mormon Stories podcast. So I'll just ask one more time. First, I'll thank you all for your support. I want to thank Natasha and Dan Witherspoon and Richard and Andrew Ainsworth and all the good people who have helped me produce Mormon Stories over the past year.

Gratitude and Looking Ahead to 2011

[00:12:48] I want to thank all those who have come on to listen to it. And most importantly, I want to thank the listeners and all the people who have supported us financially. And I want to end again with just this final plea that there's a lot of people who need help and support in their journey in and around marginal or uncorrelated Mormonism.

[00:13:10] And if we can band together and support each other and create some exciting community and resources, I really believe that we can bring a lot of joy and alleviate a lot of pain for people who fall on the margins, who are ostracized or who just fall out of the box in some way and are looking for some people like them to work with and to get ideas and tips and tricks. So please consider Supporting us@mormonstories.org Please tell your friends.

[00:13:38] Please email me or go up to MormonStories.org and post your information if you're interested in helping out. And know that I think the coming 40 years for Mormonism can be as exciting and more exciting than they ever have been. Again with your support. So thank you for listening.

[00:13:56] It's been an honor and a privilege to be able to speak to you and with you and to meet all of you. And I look forward to the great things we can do together in the coming years. Take care you. Thank.

Transcript © 2026 John P. Dehlin. All rights reserved. Brief quotations are welcome with attribution and a link to mormonstories.org; all other use requires written permission.

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30 Responses

  1. John thank you for all you have done and continue to do. Your podcast have been an important part of my religious identification. I will be doubling my monthly donations for 2011 and hope that others with the means will do the same. Your podcast has value and needs to be available to others as they struggle with their own religious identification.

  2. Sounds great. I’m sure you’ll continue to get more support with such a far-reaching vision. Plenty of folks will be able to help out in their little corners of the Mormon Universe.

  3. “An LDS Apologist Podcast: For credible LDS apologetics.”
    That should take up all of an hour, maybe two at the most.

    1. This was the one that really caught my eye as well. I simply have a hard time with the two words “credible” and “apologetics” in the same phrase. This would be one of the larger challenges that you would have to accomplish. Good luck with it.

  4. Can I be terrible and suggest that the Mormon Stories members who aren’t donating to the LDS Church any more could give some of that money to this project? ;)

  5. Very ambitious; very intriguing.

    Interestingly enough, this seems to fulfill many of the suggestions raised by commenter Brad Dennis in response to Dane Laverty’s recent post at Times and Seasons “The Bloggernacle in a New Decade.” The only major thing differences I can think of are 1) the sponsorship/funding issue and 2) this embraces the potentialities afforded by the internet rather than clinging to traditional media. I wasn’t quite sold on it then, but this looks very appealing…

  6. I LOVE the EFY idea… I would love to be able to send my kids to both types. Just regular EFY alone kinda scares me, but having both would be a nice balance!

  7. Thanks John. It sounds great. Thank you for giving me a place to still be a Mormon. I am going to increase my monthly donation. Sincerely, Liz Draper Steele

  8. John, what inspiring vision and goals! I had a question for you. How do you (or would you) respond to the idea that you are seeking to form a different type of Mormon community, almost along the lines of a different sect? Granted, if you are, I am in it, but it seems to me this is something along the lines of Reform Judaism. I am curious to see how you would articulate your response.

    Let me be clear I agree with you that this is the most positive way for mainstream Mormonism to go, but the fact remains you are forming a new definition and community of Mormonism without any top-down reform. Now, I think this very fact is one of the greatest strengths of the project. I have never been so happy in my Mormonism as since I have discovered this project. But it does open you up to that critique of advocating your own brand of the religion.

  9. Being from a more social democratic type country- have you applied to the Church for funding. You seem to be servicing a need that they, with their sanitized publications, are not. You would compliment their efforts.

  10. John,
    Mormon Stories has been a godsend for me and my mental health. I couldn’t thank you enough. For me it would be a tragedy if I couldn’t look forward to a new podcast every week. I have doubled my monthly donation.

    The new ideas for the upcoming year sound fabulous. I’m looking forward to checking them out.

    Also, I was wondering if you could include a podcast regarding tithing? I couldn’t find a podcast specifically about tithing; where the money goes and how it is spent. Is there any legitimate verification on the matter?

    I love you, John.

    Thanks,
    Brumps

    1. Try Podcasts #149-152 “Daymon Smith”. One of my favorites. It’s the closest thing(in my opinion) to what you’re looking for, until John goes deeper on this issue, which I’m sure he will.

  11. John (and Dan and Natascha), thank you so much for your time and effort in producing such a great, high quality podcast. For the past couple of years I’m a struggling mormon. I’ve gone through a faith crisis and am trying to regain my footing.

    I feel so enriched for having my vision broadened, and my mind enlarged, by listening to all these thoughtful people share their stories and perspectives on such a vast array of topics. Looking back, I feel I was so narrow minded before, now life seem fuller, more colorful. It seems like a paradox, but through losing my faith I’ve found more peace and happiness (mixed with many obvious difficulties that accompany this path).

    You’re interviewing so many interesting individuals, I never knew there was such a great span of people with different experiences within mormonism. Interesting people wouldn’t be good on their own though without a good interviewer, kudos for making the interviews so exciting by always asking the right kind of questions!

    Thanks for everything! (I’ll start to donate now)

  12. Whoa! A “liberal EFY” for my kids!!!! Sign us up now!! I’ll echo Jared above that anyone enjoying Mormon Stories really should be donating. I barely find time to listen, let alone arrange, prepare for, and interview all these amazing people. John & co seem to read my mind in every interview! As I start to think of a question I would ask, and bang, there it is!! These podcasts are honestly priceless for me and I can only hope the token amounts I’ve donated have been helpful. Thanks.

  13. John, I went in and doubled my donation for 2011. I’m not sure how to cancel my 2010 donation however, which appears to be ongoing. I smile (as an old codger), when I see the name of TBM friends (or their offspring) listed as Mormon Stories Podcast enrollees. It gives me hope for an enlightened generation, listening to all sides of an issue, taking from the platter what is good…

  14. Maybe those of us who haven’t lost jobs can increase the amount we are giving. I just increased our small contribution.

  15. Nehor “had gone about among the people, preaching to them that which he termed to be the word of God … declaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people. … And it came to pass that he did teach these things so much that many did believe on his words, even so many that they began to support him and give him money. And he began to be lifted up in the pride of his heart, … yea, and even began to establish a church after the manner of his preaching.”

    Just saying…

    1. James,

      I’m not ashamed to ask for some support. NPR and PBS take donations. So does the LDS Church, btw. So does the LDS Foundation. So do most charities. Are you opposed to all forms of charitable donations?

      Thx for stopping by.

  16. John, I have donated several times in the past. Over a year ago you state your goal of setting up a non-profit for Mormon Stories and promised that there would be financial transparency, and that you would disclose what donation money is used for. I have not seen any sort of disclosures about how much money has been received or about what it has been spent on. I support your goals, but I’m not comfortable donating more money until I have a clearer picture about where the money is going and what it is being used for. Do you have any plans to disclose that information?

    1. James — Absolutely! I am working with an accountant now. I’ll get that
      out as soon as I can. Definitely by tax time.

      I’m a one-man show…so I don’t have staff to help me with this (yet). So
      thank you so much for your patience.

      John

  17. I’m excited for upcoming Mormon Matters panel discussions, they were some of my favorites back in the day (2007?).

    Just so you know, there is another This-Week-in-Mormonism-style podcast that’s been running for over a year now, called, not surprisingly, “This Week in Mormons”. It’s basically a couple of buddies bantering over a few news stories involving Mormons that crop up all the time. It does a good job, but is sometimes hampered with extended banter sessions, personal travelogues, and prattle about the Mormon Bachelorette online show. They are great about including controversial stories with the rest, but I’d love it to be more hard-hitting.

  18. Any word on the request for disclosure of the finances of the Mormmon Stories “charity”? I would love to donate to but like James I am also very uncomfortable donating to any organization not willing to show where the money goes.

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