Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames are our guests for this epic Mormon Stories interview where we discuss their escape from the NXIVM cult. We discuss the similarities between NXIVM leader Keith Raniere and Joseph Smith, the secret societies that existed within the cult, and the tipping point that forced Sarah and Nippy to become a united front to take Keith down. We hope you’ll resonate with Sarah and Nippy’s fascinating and gripping story!


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  1. Tracy November 26, 2021 at 10:32 am - Reply

    “It was my community”. When Sarah said that I cried. Totally sums up the mixed feelings of leaving the church and being free but also losing community. Thank you Sarah and nippy!

  2. Bryn Dean November 30, 2021 at 8:34 pm - Reply

    Thanks so much for this interview. I enjoyed hearing more of Nippys story. I agree with the above comment about community. There’s just so much loss.

  3. Nate November 30, 2021 at 9:55 pm - Reply

    Where do I find the “show notes” that are mentioned in the podcast?

    • MARYIRENE ALLEN December 30, 2021 at 10:55 am - Reply

      Where can I also find the show notes for this episode?

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