Join John and Mike from LDS Discussions breaking down how the story of Noah, the arc, and the global flood is necessary for the veracity of Mormon scripture/doctrine, and a closer look at the historicity of the Biblical accounts of Noah and the flood.
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- Simon Southerton MS episode on Global Flood:
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Two unrelated thoughts:
1) You and guest spend a great deal of time on the solutions proffered by the apologists. That IMO is a red herring. The real challenge is convincing the Sunday School Mormons. These people will never be exposed to the apologetics, and have no interest in that anyway. They only know that The Church is True.
2) We must tread very carefully when we speak of myths. To say that the Noah story started out as a myth is to endow it with meanings that we all too often impose upon it. Yes, the Noah story borrowed heavily from the Gilgamesh story. But The Three Amigos borrowed heavily from The Magnificent Seven- and neither of those were real, and anybody who tried to convince me that either of those were originally culturally significant myths would be met with polite laughter. Many of the old stories were just that- stories. Gilgamesh may have been the Independence Day or Jurassic Park of its day.
One thing that is never spoken of is the reason as to why there would be a global flood in the first place. So with that, have you guys or anybody in Mormon Stories looked into Michael B. Rush’s “The Remnant shall return”, “Daniel 11”, and his latest, “John the Revelator”. Those titles may not be exactly correct, but you’ll find them.
He gives his take on the 1000 yrs prior to the flood, combining the apocryphal Ezra, along with Genesis, to explain the “watchers” and Giants in the land, etc. Basically, other universe travelers who looked upon the fair women on earth and had to have some of that :). Apparently this ultimately distorted Gods plan here on earth, they were thrust from salvation due to their deeds with no forgiveness…..they pleaded with Enoch to advocate to the father in their behalf….then ultimately rinsing them off the face of the land. Of course, you have to believe in a literal flood or at least a localized flood in the region.
Would be cool for you guys to look into this, similar to what you have done with other theories such as the Heartland theory etc.
If you want a quick rundown summary, see Chapter 3 Alpha and Omega of John the Revelator by Mr. Rush.
Exceptional discussion of such an important topic, one that caused me to stop attending church.
Twenty or so years ago I lost my faith in Mormonism, but I continued to attend to support my wife as she worked in the primary. One general primary the leaders taught the global flood to a room full of kids. It was so over the top mindlessness that I decided at that moment stop attending altogether and resign from the church.
You could fill a library with all the information from earth scientists, anthropology, and geology why a global flood is impossible. There is no excuse for believing in it, and its in that context that its damaging to teach it as gospel truth.
You are doing a wonderful job.